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just can't seem to get the economy going. lots of efforts and a ton of help from the state of chicken. why can't you get this back on track? >> like every urban arean the country, we are suffering in the foreclosure. we live and die by operty taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in troit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in der to get our financial house in order. in order to grow our economy. gerr i have heard that before. we need more time to get our fiscal house in order. woul't it make mor sense? i know that you are probably playing l kinds of different groups. all kis of different political groups who want to have their voice heard. wouldn't it make more sense to come in and have the state on this thing -- the thing that we will fix this thing and get it done. >> unfortunately, theycan't unilaterally change them. so the financial emergency manager coming into detroit, setting back a year. we just need to
just can't seem to get the economy going. lots of efforts and a ton of help from the state of chicken. why can't you get this back on track? >> like every urban arean the country, we are suffering in the foreclosure. we live and die by operty taxes and sales taxes and they are all coming in shorter than anticipated. basically because the property values in troit. it is starting to pick up in michigan. we just need a little bit more time in der to get our financial house in order. in order...
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>> they're being given a choice between an economy which has been fantastic for them. labor has done really badly. they're saying, the current situation is great for us. but now we have two choices, between great and even better. are and given the choice, they'll take even better. >> and you talk about liberal pieties or whatever, the hatred of unions. i think that people underestimate, don't get -- and i've encountered this in my reporting, how visceral, almost dogmatic, almost religious and ideological, how fervently that belief is and how common that is among people who make a ton of money. >> it's one of the few times that you find a vague semblance of ideology in these people. because they're very practical, most of the time. whatever works in terms of making money is what they'll all choose. but you're right, sometimes even when you show them the numbers and say, listen, recognizing unions, you can be more profitable overall, they don't like that. >> felix salmon, reuters finance blogger, who will be live blogging in january, you should check that out, thanks for
>> they're being given a choice between an economy which has been fantastic for them. labor has done really badly. they're saying, the current situation is great for us. but now we have two choices, between great and even better. are and given the choice, they'll take even better. >> and you talk about liberal pieties or whatever, the hatred of unions. i think that people underestimate, don't get -- and i've encountered this in my reporting, how visceral, almost dogmatic, almost...
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you want to flirt with putting the economy into recession? have at it. >> that is essentially what the white house is up to right now. they said, in an era where americansment compromise, the president not compromising, this is what i want, and for that political agenda, i'm willing to go over the cliff. the secretary of treasury, the highest economic officer in the land said, oh, yeah, we're prepared to go over the cliff. that's telling the american people we don't care about the recession, unemployment that creates, we have an agenda, and that's more important. gerri: the k0*s of that could be the lost of 700,000 jobs, up to 2 million jobs, a recession, everybody predicts that. i want to talk to you, though, about the debt limit. we talked about that for a few minutes. an economist at moody's advising the president over a number of years had this to say about getting rid of the debt ceiling limit. we need to get rid of the ceiling law, it's a problem. what do you say to that? >> it's from a hundred years ago, and it was put there for a reas
you want to flirt with putting the economy into recession? have at it. >> that is essentially what the white house is up to right now. they said, in an era where americansment compromise, the president not compromising, this is what i want, and for that political agenda, i'm willing to go over the cliff. the secretary of treasury, the highest economic officer in the land said, oh, yeah, we're prepared to go over the cliff. that's telling the american people we don't care about the...
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this will only hurt our economy. ernst and young has done an analysis of the president's proposal and said it will cost several hundreds thousands of jobs. there is a better way and the speaker has laid it out. it is an approach that calls for tax reform by reforming the tax code and passing responsible spending cuts in order to get our fiscal house in order. that's what america wants. this is our opportunity to do the big things. this is our moment to provide that leadership that america desperately wants and we stand here ready to take the action necessary. >> the american people are hurting right now and now is the moment where we need to step up to the plate and solve the problem. i don't know how any of us can look our kids and grandkids in the eye and explain to them that we aren't willing to pay for the things we are enjoying today but just going to send them the bill. that's why republicans have the proposal on the table that fixes the problem, puts us on the course to solve the problem, which is the out-of-
this will only hurt our economy. ernst and young has done an analysis of the president's proposal and said it will cost several hundreds thousands of jobs. there is a better way and the speaker has laid it out. it is an approach that calls for tax reform by reforming the tax code and passing responsible spending cuts in order to get our fiscal house in order. that's what america wants. this is our opportunity to do the big things. this is our moment to provide that leadership that america...
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more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> and new polling by the associated press could strengthen the president's hand in negotiations. 48% of americans say they support the idea of raising taxes on the highest earners. that's compared to 32% who say tax cuts should continue for everyone. >> well, hillary clinton says she insists that she wants to get out of politics. but a new poll shows that the majority of americans are hoping she has a change of heart. the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows 50% of americans would vote for hillary clinton in 2016. 37% would oppose such a campaign. hillary clinton also has a strong bid of support in her home state of new york where 54% of voters say she would make a great runner. but new yorkers are not so enthusiastic about the current governor jumping into the race. 39% support andrew cuomo's 2016 presidential bid. and more on 2016, already casino mogul is also looking toward 2016 after spending almost $150 million on the 2012 election, the billionaire is vowing to continue
more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> and new polling by the associated press could strengthen the president's hand in negotiations. 48% of americans say they support the idea of raising taxes on the highest earners. that's compared to 32% who say tax cuts should continue for everyone. >> well, hillary clinton says she insists that she wants to get out of politics. but a new poll shows that the majority of...
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weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. that's what w. did and his crowd did. i want president obama to do what he looks like he's already doing, getting it done right and on time. he knows it's an unclear dimension, nobody knows, i don't know, how bad the whirlwinds will be if we fail to do this on time. and one thing for certain, there's no guarantee that a huge drop in faith by the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a real cliff, not a bungy jump. that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" starts with al sharpton. >>> thanks, chris. it didn't come from the white house, it didn't come from democrats, it came from senator jim demint. the tea party hero who famously made this vow with the president's health care law. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. >> guess what, it wasn't the president's waterlook but today he announced that he's leaving the senate to run a conservative think tank. and just like that, gone is is a man who represented all of t
weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. that's what w. did and his crowd did. i want president obama to do what he looks like he's already doing, getting it done right and on time. he knows it's an unclear dimension, nobody knows, i don't know, how bad the whirlwinds will be if we fail to do this on time. and one thing for certain, there's no guarantee that a huge drop in faith by the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a...
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. >> bill: i'm perplexed because i thought florida would go for mitt romney based upon the economy primarily but romney spent a lot of time and money there. but what did the -- what message that the president brought to florida sueded for him? >> i'm not sure if it's the president's message. it's the message that we need to do a better job as a movement. not just the republican party. those who believe in limited government and preenterprise have to do a better and more consistent job of explaining to people why free enterprise is better for them. >> bill: elected you in florida. they elected governor scott. both of you guys are conservative smaller government people. this is why it's so confusing. because you elect you. you elect scott. now they did elect liberal senator there and they're all over the place. i just don't know why florida, virginia, ohio, colorado -- colorado, i kind of know. why the republican message didn't resonate. i don't understand why the republican message did not resonate in those states. >> well, i can't speak to those other states in detail but i can tell you abou
. >> bill: i'm perplexed because i thought florida would go for mitt romney based upon the economy primarily but romney spent a lot of time and money there. but what did the -- what message that the president brought to florida sueded for him? >> i'm not sure if it's the president's message. it's the message that we need to do a better job as a movement. not just the republican party. those who believe in limited government and preenterprise have to do a better and more consistent...
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do you need to get this deal in a position that we'll get this country back on track and cause our economy to get back on track? the good news is, if we can do a deal on the budget by compromising and coming together, then we can go after immigration and infrastructure and energy and education. the things that are still on the agenda that are crucial to moving this country forward. you know, as important as the debt bill is, it still isn't going to create jobs in the short term. you've got to do energy. we've got to do infrastructure. we've certainly got to do immigration. we owe that to the american people and to those children. there's so many things that we've got to do that if we can do this successfully and get it done and see the economy take off and an investment come into this country, then we go after the other four challenges and if we can do all those, he'll be an incredibly successful president and i think congress' approval rating will begin to rise again. >> joan, it still seems that some of the tea party types, including senator demint still thinks it was the messaging, not
do you need to get this deal in a position that we'll get this country back on track and cause our economy to get back on track? the good news is, if we can do a deal on the budget by compromising and coming together, then we can go after immigration and infrastructure and energy and education. the things that are still on the agenda that are crucial to moving this country forward. you know, as important as the debt bill is, it still isn't going to create jobs in the short term. you've got to...
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job market there, the economy. it's depressed. >> dana: the point of the election and swing state of michigan is president obama saved michigan and the auto industry in detroit because of his actions to bail him out. at least she is honest about what they are looking for. they are not honest about the problem. >> bob: pall ryan fleeced left and right. >> dana: you are hilarious. >> greg: i was hoping this was bacon. i thought they were bringing bacon home. i was depressed -- >> kimberly: you like bacon. >> greg: everybody got bacon instead of money it would be a better place. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, three stories that you will not believe the real story behind the shoeless nan the photo that made national headlines. atheists won a battle in the war on christmas taking down charlie brown. nudists in the california go nuts. rights are taken away. ♪ ♪ s from at 6:00 eastern. back to my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: treb story of the homeless man given boots from cop on cold night in
job market there, the economy. it's depressed. >> dana: the point of the election and swing state of michigan is president obama saved michigan and the auto industry in detroit because of his actions to bail him out. at least she is honest about what they are looking for. they are not honest about the problem. >> bob: pall ryan fleeced left and right. >> dana: you are hilarious. >> greg: i was hoping this was bacon. i thought they were bringing bacon home. i was...
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caller: our economy is very fragile. a lot of the things the people in this country, the millionaires and billionaires have forgotten is the fact that if it were not for the tax payers, the infrastructure we put in place, to do business here, like good roads and power grids and bridges -- the list goes on. we the taxpayers are the ones who put this in place for them to make their millions and billions. i do not think it is wrong for everybody, including working class people, to pay their fair share. i think it is the right things that we have to do to dig in and bail this country out. guest: that is a good point. you just made the connection between the taxes we pay and when we get in return. one thing but a lot of people talk about is that in this country, sometimes people -- it is hard to make that connection. a lot of money we pay goes to the military, which maybe you're not involved in, or two seniors. maybe we're not there yet. we're paying a lot of money. we're not sure what we're getting back in return, and that i
caller: our economy is very fragile. a lot of the things the people in this country, the millionaires and billionaires have forgotten is the fact that if it were not for the tax payers, the infrastructure we put in place, to do business here, like good roads and power grids and bridges -- the list goes on. we the taxpayers are the ones who put this in place for them to make their millions and billions. i do not think it is wrong for everybody, including working class people, to pay their fair...
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economy and affected by it. gone are the days when businesses relied solely on growing their customer base for domestic markets. today, 95% of the world's consumers live outside the united states, and we're producing for those consumers as well as domestic ones. one of the things that will help our economy improve at a faster rate would be to increase trade opportunities overseas for american businesses and farmers, increase trade helps create jobs, increase income and expand opportunities for innovation. and as we've seen over the course of history and also repeated what president john f. kennedy often spoke about, free and fair trade helps all boats rise. that is to say, countries willing to lower their trade barriers and allow fair and competitive trade will see growth in their economies. however, history also shows, even among nations with good relations, trade disputes still arise. that is why we need a forum to settle international disputes such as the world trade organization does. the w.t.o. allows ameri
economy and affected by it. gone are the days when businesses relied solely on growing their customer base for domestic markets. today, 95% of the world's consumers live outside the united states, and we're producing for those consumers as well as domestic ones. one of the things that will help our economy improve at a faster rate would be to increase trade opportunities overseas for american businesses and farmers, increase trade helps create jobs, increase income and expand opportunities for...
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it hurt the economy last year. megyn: just to clarify and tell the viewers what you are talking about. the republicans in exchange for raising the debt limit said we'll do it but there have to be spending cuts to offset the amount of debt. >> what i don't like about the debt ceiling process is we have a process to create budget and there are congress and committees. things are supposed to go through both houses and get voatds on. i think this is going outside the democratic process. the republican numbers went down much more than barack obama's did last year. i think they have to be careful about what they are doing here. >> i think the reason simon doesn't like it is because it gives the republicans leverage to force the president to deal with the debt. the president has as much chance of succeeding as you have of getting john bolton to cry on your show. megyn: i think i can do it. a challenge? >> i bet you can. in the last 27 years, every significant debt reduction bill that passed starting with graham rosen has
it hurt the economy last year. megyn: just to clarify and tell the viewers what you are talking about. the republicans in exchange for raising the debt limit said we'll do it but there have to be spending cuts to offset the amount of debt. >> what i don't like about the debt ceiling process is we have a process to create budget and there are congress and committees. things are supposed to go through both houses and get voatds on. i think this is going outside the democratic process. the...
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. >> steve: it could be a sign of a lowsy economy. so many people who need jobs and as you have detailed, it is relatively easy to get on the disability list. i need to feed my family and this is my last option. >>> that's right. in a nation of moochers, part of what happens. if you are laying out money people come and take it. if the government is giving out free money, people are going to line up for that money and again, the disability insurance program is not supposed to be a jobless program and simply an economic program, it is supposed to be providing a leg up to people who need that help . unfortunately, i think it is something else. >> steve: there should be better standards. >> brian: a nation of moochers. charlie psyches, thanks so much. 26 minutes after the hour. >> steve: imagine returning home after work to an empty lot. your used to be right there and it is gone. >> she said to me are you sure your house is gone? i said you misplace a pen or pencil and you don't misplace a house. >> steve: we'll tell you the story. >> br
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an i buss in the plants and here's an opportunity to give back, you know, something to the american economy. the way you look at things is, you know, the company is going to be spending $100 million in terms of bringing back jobs to the u.s. some may say $100 million, you know, is not a lot of money considering that apple has more than $100 billion in the bank. but i think this is a positive sign in terms of how many workers we're talking about here -- >> how many jobs? >> reporter: we don't know precisely or the skills necessary. it's a great question. probably in the thousands of jobs. remember, this is one existing mac line. this is not the iphone or ipad. one line but probably in the thousands, brooke. >> in the thousands. and so, apple chock eed up the one-day stock drop. do you think the shift, has to be a profitable move for apple hopefully. >> reporter: well, you know, there are two ways of looking at it. you are using cheap labor in china. not going to have that in the united states and also you're talking about adding infrastructure costs. how that might impact the bottom line, yo
an i buss in the plants and here's an opportunity to give back, you know, something to the american economy. the way you look at things is, you know, the company is going to be spending $100 million in terms of bringing back jobs to the u.s. some may say $100 million, you know, is not a lot of money considering that apple has more than $100 billion in the bank. but i think this is a positive sign in terms of how many workers we're talking about here -- >> how many jobs? >> reporter:...
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about to become a big new battleground between organized labor and the state's struggles to improve its economy. >>> plus, a controversial police tool under fire today as drivers in one city claim that those traffic cameras aimed at keeping things safe, you know the ones they send you the automatic ticket in the mail for allegedly running the red light? that they're rigged! they're rigged against you and to turn a profit for police. we'll investigate. >>> and a new report today about vogue editor-in-chief anna wintour possibly being nominated as the ambassador to the u.k. and that new reporting has sparked new questions about whether the woman infamous for being rather tough on her staff possesses the diplomatic skills to deal with our best friend over in england and international relations. former u.n. ambassador john bolton faced similar criticism when he was up for his post, and he joins us next on whether he thinks wintour, infamously portrayed loosely in the film "the devil wears prada" has what it takes. >> oh, good morning, miranda. >> get me isaac. i don't see my breakfast here. where a
about to become a big new battleground between organized labor and the state's struggles to improve its economy. >>> plus, a controversial police tool under fire today as drivers in one city claim that those traffic cameras aimed at keeping things safe, you know the ones they send you the automatic ticket in the mail for allegedly running the red light? that they're rigged! they're rigged against you and to turn a profit for police. we'll investigate. >>> and a new report...
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you're going to destroy a fragile economy. you can't get there by taxing your way into it and you can't grow your way out of this. you have to have a blend. when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff or i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. this is big-time stuff. >> let me ask you about a report that some republicans now are perhaps willing to see the tax rates rise to some degree on top earners in exchange for later getting a better deal on some of these spending cuts. but tieing it to that vote to raise the debt ceiling basically saying that debt ceiling vote is our point of leverage. do you agree with that approach? >> when they get to that, they'll do the same blood letting they did in august. that's the way that will be. but you can't get there -- the threats going back and forth, y
you're going to destroy a fragile economy. you can't get there by taxing your way into it and you can't grow your way out of this. you have to have a blend. when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff or i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. this is...